Calculating the Distance between the Top of the Window and Row 1

by Allen Wyatt
(last updated January 14, 2017)


When he creates a UserForm, Louis sets the Top property of the UserForm to 222, which he determined by trial and error is the pixel distance between the upper border of the active window and the top of the first row of data in the worksheet. He wonders if there is a way to calculate this distance programmatically, given that the distance can vary depending on how much of the ribbon is displayed and the height of the Formula bar.

If you need to get the height of the ribbon area, you can examine the Height property of the CommandBars("Ribbon") object, in this manner:

iHt = CommandBars("Ribbon").Height

That, of course, will give you only part of the information you ultimately need. The positioning information for a UserForm is based on the upper-left corner of the program window. Thus, you need to take into account the border thickness of the window (if there is a border), the ribbon height (mentioned above, but only if running on a version of Excel that uses the ribbon), the height of the Formula bar, any space allowed for the ruler, and so forth.

Most of these things don't have Height properties you can check, so positioning a UserForm can be a process of trial and error in order. Once you get the UserForm positioned correctly on your system, there is no guarantee it will be positioned correctly if displayed on someone else's system.

The best solution we've found is to (in this case) not reinvent the wheel. Chip Pearson, on his website, has created what he calls a "form positioner" that takes the guesswork out of positioning a UserForm. You can find information on it here:

There is no charge; it is free. It allows you to position a UserForm relative to any cell on the screen. If you develop macros that rely on UserForms, you'll want to check out what Chip has to offer.

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Author Bio

Allen Wyatt

With more than 50 non-fiction books and numerous magazine articles to his credit, Allen Wyatt is an internationally recognized author. He  is president of Sharon Parq Associates, a computer and publishing services company. ...


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What is 1 + 5?

2017-01-15 12:50:16


My warmest thanks. I really appreciate.

2017-01-14 15:31:42


I have tested on which versions?
With Excel 2016 I do not get the expected result

New code:

Option Explicit

Private Sub UserForm_Initialize()
Me.StartUpPosition = 0
Me.Top = Application.Height + Application.Top - ActiveWindow.UsableHeight
Me.Left = Application.Left
End Sub

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